A more fair statement would be that Simmons makes some scopes that are crappy, all Simmons scopes are not crappy. My best analogy is; if you bought a Chevrolet Chevette and hung out with other Chevette owners you would probably say that GM sucks but if you bought a Corvette you would most likely say GM rocks. That is the problem with companies that makes products for several different markets.
Your low end products tend to give your whole company a bad name. Simmons make Wal-Mart crap all the way up to the Whitetail Expedition and Aetec lines that are some of the best scopes made for the money. The military printed their own instructions and the factory could only supply us with the corny "universal" scope instruction manual. We are working on getting a genuine manual soon. Eye relief and mounts will limit your ability to space your rings. If you can get the front ring as far forward as possible it does two things.
First it will keep the scope from sliding backwards under extreme use, secondly it makes the mounting stronger as the rings are spaced further out making it more difficult for the scope to bend, break or shift if was to get dropped or hit hard from the side. Quoted: Quoted: I agree with Mike they are good but this is and there are better scopes at aprox the same price. But if you do, thanks for your time!
I am not saying they are a crappy scope. I have seen problems with them. Quoted:I agree with Mike they are good but this is and there are better scopes at aprox the same price. Here are Leupold that are just coming out. No it is not a 30mm tube, and no side parallax adjustment. You may say the Tacso SS is twice the scope as the Bushnell. As for the rings they were Leupold Mark 4 rings so no problem there. If they do have a problem I have never had a problem sending them back to the mfg. I had a customer come to me with a Leupold that he got in the fifties and he wanted Leupold to do a ret change.
The only thing it cost him was shipping there. We have had problems with Tasco and their warranty. Especially now that they were bought out. The quote is for AR This was just from normal range use.
The Leupolds work great in much harsher environments and have for 4 years and counting. Now I'm just a twice bitten consumer who finally learned from his mistake. I don't trust the SS anymore and you need to trust your equipment.
Mike, some of these scopes work and some don't. Some people love them and others have had similar expieriences to mine. Those stated above are my personal expieriences with the Tasco SS. You pay your money, you take your chances.
Had one. I could not even see a black hostage target at yards with a treeline yards behind it. I have used three Tasco SS and two would not shoot better than 1. One I was able to shoot just a little better than MOA. I had two, Rob1 had two, and J Schulze had one for a total of five scopes that had problems. Feeling lucky?
Well, do ya……? Wow, I was just surf n AR I have 2 SS's. One before Tasco went outta business and 1 after. The 1st SS I've never got good groups with, but I don't think it's the optics. I've had it on some questionable rifles and not my proven bolt guns. The second has never been outta the box. The 1 issue I do have with them is the clicks! My 1st had weak clicks and you couldn't feel them.
I waited. My second SS came and I opened it with excitement to check it's clicks. Another disappointment. I recently took out the 1st one and cleaned the inside of the knobs. I had read on Sniper Country that they had too much grease. Well it did make the clicks alittle better, but they are still weak.
I really like these scopes. Contrary to what I heard above I've got the rear paralax and I think these scopes are quality made. I think you could put them thru some serious shit and they would do fine. The only problem that I see would be the repeatablity of the clicks.
It's hard to just use visual conformation. I wouldn't feel worried about taking this scope into the field if it had good clicks. IMO - this is a good scope for the money and general purposes, but I wouldn't field it because of the clicks.
Use it for classes, for practice, for fun. I wouldn't put my life on it in the field because of the clicks only. I know this was a problem they've been working on correcting and I think they did it. As for the other issues, I still haven't fired the rifle it is on so I don't know. Ratters, did you just get your SS? I got mine at the beginning of last year.
My 1st was when they where Tasco. I just pulled it out while I am sitting here to look at it again. The clicks are better than original. You can feel them slightly. That is better than the original. They are still not real solid on mine, but they are better than original. They are not solid enough that I would trust them by feel though. That is what I call good clicks. If I can close my eyes and count them by feel. Don't think this would work on even the new SS I have.
How is it on yours? Mine arrive a couple weeks ago. You can definitely hear and feel the clicks, though it is much clearer and louder on the elevation turret. They do seem a bit stiffer to operate than I was expecting but that may just be how they are supposed to be as this is my first experience with target style turrets.
You notice how all the ads for the super sniper say "awarded a us navy contract" it never says that they actually bought any or used any. Edited to say that on SWFA's website it says "multicoated" in one place and "fully Multicoated" in the little pic like posted above. So which one is it. CS, It looks like we will have to agree to disagree. I like the feel of their Target knobs, the housing feels heaver, we sell them If they do have a problem I have never had a problem sending them back Quoted: P.
They are fully-multicoated. Thanks for pointing out the inconsistency and we have since corrected it. SWFA, Inc. Did this ever become a wild thread I would never had thought that a question about a scope could cause so many people to get all worked up. Neither one would change their mind. The rest of the scope is fairly slim and trim so the large eye piece does look a bit out of place, but not too bad.
There is a dioptre adjustment on the eye piece that is fairly fast. It takes more turns than some and less than others and should not be a problem to get things nice and clear for most all shooters. The eye piece also has a rubber ring to cushion any scope kisses received while firing. The knobs are a large tactical style exposed knob with nice clear markings. The shape of the knob is good with a knurled top cap for easy gripping. The edges of the knurling is semi-smoothed and perhaps makes the knobs not quite as easy to grip as some knobs found on other scopes, but it is still very functional.
There is 15 MOA per revolution and the numbers are large enough for clear and easy reading. There are no direction indicators visible from behind the scope so instead you will need to memorize the direction or up and right or just look at which way the knobs count up. There are horizontal lines beneath the elevation knob, and vertical lines beneath the windage knob to aide in keeping track of how many revolutions have been made and with these scopes there are a lot of lines! That is a lot of adjustments and there would be no need for any sort of canted base unless you were looking to shoot at extreme ranges.
The clicks themselves have a fairly good tactile detent, though it could be better, and the elevation knob has an audible click as well but the windage knob does not. I do not know if this is the case on all of their scopes or not but it seems as if it is done by design.
The knobs are a good design and work well and based off of our shooting exercises, extremely precise. These scopes have a traditional mil-dot reticle with no surprises. I have mentioned it before, I am a fan of simplicity and the simple but yet very flexible mil-dot has been effective for many years for a reason, it works and does not distract. For our shooting evaluation with the scope we mounted it onto our Reming P.
There is plenty of area for mounting the rings and the medium height Leupold rings provide enough clearance with no issues. With the rifle zeroed at yards we conducted our normal box tests shooting the corners around a target and then ending up on the same corner.
That is about the accuracy of the rifle and those groups ended right on top of each other just as they should. Tracking is very good and with steel internal gearing it should remain so. The rear focus worked fine at the range and engaging mid range targets worked well and we had not issues or complaints through the entire shooting exercise.
The optics on the scope are fairly good especially in the price range of this scope. No, it is not going to be as good as a Zeiss or Nightforce, but it is good glass that performs well enough. I have used a 20x version and the optics did not seem to perform as well at that high of magnification, but on the 10x the optics seem to work well. The overall quality, and certainly the knobs, are superior to the Falcon scopes, though the SWFA SS scope costs a little more money for an equivalent side focus model.
I definitely appreciated watching this rifle and scope make consistent 3 and 4 shot groups that could be completely covered by a half dollar, but it's even better when you actually have an idea how to use the equipment properly.
Like I said before, I'm not a scope guy. These things still puzzle me. Don't worry about it Dog Man. If you spend some time around here, it will come. Some of our members have a phenomenal amount of knowledge about optics, and firearms. I'm not claiming to be one, but we all have to start somewhere It appears Mike has you on the right track. Good luck and welcome to the Optics Talk. Mike is right on, each number means 1 full MOA of adjustment. Just like making change for a dollar with four quarters.
I think what Mike was trying to say is that if you move the knob one full revolution from the "0" all the way around back to the "0" you've moved a full 15MOA.
Do yourself a favor and start the right way, meaning don't start thinking in how many clicks it will take you to move your point of impact, start thinking MOA. Once you get your yard zero don't think okay I need 8 clicks to be on at yards, 8 clicks you'd equal 2MOA of movement.
Just rotate the knob until the vertical line of the tower is lined up with the "2" mark and there you go. Will post a write up I've found later. Hope this helps. Below is SWFA online class for understanding how a scope works and how to use it. Great info.
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